Name, place of birth, from Charles “Hymie” Eisman in a Descendant Report emailed on 23 July 2017. Hymie is the grandson of Catherine Menzies, who is the x6 great-grandson of Catherine Menzies (b.1771). (Brian’s of nzolivers.com grandmother’s (Maud Carrel) sister (Telitha Mary Carrel) married Ronald Monro Menzies who is descendant from Catherine Menzies brother, Peter Patrick Menzies).