First given name, date of birth, from 'The Jones Family Tree' as supplied by Rosemary Jones, as an attachment to an email dated 24 April 2023.
Rosemary is the granddaughter of Florence Minnie Menzies (nee Borthwick) and Edward Sutherland Menzies. Edward's brother, Ronald Monro Menzies, married Telitha Mary Carrel, the sister Brian of 'nzolivers' grandmother, Maud Carrel.