The Oliver Brothers
|James Oliver (1805 -
||Samuel Oliver (1819 - 1873)
The day of this
update marks the 180th anniversary of the
arrival of the Oliver brothers, James and
Samuel, in New Plymouth on the barque 'Amelia
Thompson' on the 3rd September 1841.
James arrived with his wife Ruth and six
children. Unfortunately one child died on the
Samuel was single
and met his wife, Elizabeth, in New Plymouth.
She sailed on the barque 'Blenheim' with her
family the following year and they married two
years after that!
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thank you to those that have contributed with
additions since the last update.
Was John Oliver (1740-1807)
married before his marriage to Hannah
Katia and Tim Oliver, in August 2021 located
record dated 3 February 1761 for
a John Oliver and a Margaret Ball in Ashwater, Devon,
They also found a burial record dated 3 June
Margaret with a husband of John Oliver.
burial record also lists a “John Oliver”,
son of John and Margaret Oliver who was
buried on 3
June 1763, three
months earlier than his mother. Further
searching found a christening record for the
son John. He was christened on 8 Oct 1761 in
Ashwater, making him aged about 2 1/2 years
when he died.
interesting to note that our John
(1740-1807) was born in Ashwater, making
this discovery of a possible prior marriage
and a young son that was buried in Ashwater,
very plausible. And, we know that John was
31 before his marriage to Hannah Sleeman in
1771. At the time of the possible first
marriage to Margaret
Ball in 1761 John
would of been 21. With Margaret having died
in 1763, John would not have remarried for
just over seven years later. This does all
seem very credible. Your feedback welcome.
records and original document may be found
near the bottom
of John Oliver's page.
Tim Oliver is a
x3 great grandson of James and Ruth Oliver, his
grandfather being Ivor James Clark Oliver
Who is the Mother of
our James and Samuel Oliver?
Grace Brayley has
thought to have been the mother of our brothers
- James (1805-1886) and Samuel Oliver
(1819-1873). However, revelations from Katia and
Tim Oliver, have concluded she was not their
mother. This, after extensive and thorough
research that included going through a myriad of
new records that were scanned at the Devon
Record Office as recently as 2020.
Read more on this
intriguing research here...
New Photo Album
Katia and Tim
Oliver, with help from the wider Hawkes Bay
Oliver families, have also shared family photos. Over 190
photos/images are divided up into seven albums
and include the families of James (Jim)
Alexander Oliver and his son Ivor James Clark
Oliver. Photos of their wives' families of
Shute and Florance respectively, are included.
John Oliver Descendants
have recently received a message from Tim
Barnett, Manager of Digital Assets, of
Auckland Libraries. The Libraries have posted
over 800 photos of the descendants of John
Oliver, son of James and Ruth Oliver as part
of their Heritage Collections.
Oliver's daughter, Mary Oliver, married Edwin
Charles HUGHES. Mary and Edwin's children
Edith Prosser HUGHES who married
Frederick John BURRELL
Edwina Mary HUGHES who married
Alfred John WILSON and had sons George
Desmond and Edwin Charles WILSON.
Eileen Dorothy HUGHES who
married Eugene Ryan DERVAN
above names are listed with some of the photos
as possible identification. And, there are
lots of unidentified family members. The
collection may be found here:
Barnett says, "we had very little to go on
with when we were trying to identify people
and places and would be very grateful for any
corrections or additions you might be able to
you can help you may contact me or contact Tim
Carroll, Carrell, Carrel
A book titled, ’John
and Talitha Carroll - From Jersey to
Wanganui’, published in 2019 by Anthony Carrell
is highly recommended. Anthony has written this in
an informative, detailed, and interesting way,
describing the life of John and Talitha and
their children. They immigrated to
Wanganui New Zealand in 1874 from Jersey,
Channel Islands. John Carroll was born in
Tipperary, Ireland and wife Talitha was born
in Somerset, England. They met and married in
Jersey. Read a book review here, and
find details on how to purchase.
This website is dedicated
to Brian and Carol Oliver's children: Nigel
Churton, Sarah Ferguson (nee Churton), Emma
Oliver and Marie Oliver; our seven
grandchildren, and to all the family members
that appear in our genealogy pages!
last updated: 3 September 2021
Previous 5 updates:
25 March 2021,
2020, 7 March
2020, 3 July