Misc. Notes
is this “Robert Fraser” a possible husband of our Emma Jones? Even though first given name is different, this is a possible marriage from search on New Zealand BDM website in June 2025:
1890/2171. Bride: Emily Jones. Groom: Robert Fraser
Full date of marriage of 7 August 1890 from further searching in June 2025 on BDM Search by incrementally changing the date range for the marriage.
Entry in the New Zealand, Civil Registration Marriage Index found in June 2025:
Groom: Robert Fraser
Bride: Emily Jones
Marriage Year: 1890
Marriage Place: New Zealand
Folio Number: 1985
Marriage Registration Number: 2171
When researching Electoral Rolls, Robert’s wife appears as “Emma”. Perhaps the hand-written entry was hard to read, hence transcribed as “Emily”?
Interesting find in the Will/Probate records of Robert and Emma (nee Jones) son, “Robert Lyle Houston FRASER” found in July 2025 where Emma states where she was born:
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Oath as Executrix and Trustee of he son’s Will wrote, “
(6) THAT I this deponent am a British subject born of British parents at Truro in Cornwall, England and that the said deceased was a British subject born of British parents at Coromandel aforesaid".
Therefore, this does look like our Emma Jones married Robert Fraser. Time to apply for a Marriage Certificate printout to absolutely confirm.
MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE RECEIVEDName confirmed, date of marriage confirmed, estimated year of birth, place of birth as “Sydney”, name of parents, occupation, from Marriage Certificate received in July 2025:
No.: ?20
Marriage District: Auckland
When Married: 7 August 1890
Where Married: In the dwelling of Rev R F Macnicol
Name of Groom: Robert Fraser
Age of Groom: 24 [Therefore born circa 1866]
Rank or Profession of Groom: Miner
Condition of Groom: Bachelor
Birthplace of Groom: Sydney
Present Residence of Groom: Coromandel
Usual Residence of Groom: Coromandel
Name of Groom's Father: Henry Fraser
Rank or Profession Groom's Father: Miner
Name of Groom's Mother: Mary
Maiden Surname of Groom's Mother: Ray
Name of Bride: Emily Jones [Emma Jones]
Age of Bride: 22
Rank or Profession of Bride: -
Condition of Bride: Spinster
Birthplace of Bride: Auckland [In fact was Cornwall as supported by oath of Emma in son’s Will/Probate]
Present Residence of Bride: Auckland
Usual Residence of Bride: Auckland
Name of Bride's Father: Thomas Jones
Rank or Profession Bride's Father: Settler
Name of Bride's Mother: Annie
Maiden Surname of Bride's Mother: Samuels [Sammels]
Officiating Minister: R. F. Macnicol
Marriage in the Presence of: H.A. Powley, Groom, Nelson St. Alice James, Upper Queen St.
Reverend MacNicol - Photo of Reverend R F MacNicol with a beard and moustache, wearing a dark coloured jacket, found in July 2025:
https://digitalnz.org/records/30103804Children born to Emma and Robert found in July 2025:
25926/1891 [NSW BDM] Fraser, James Lyle. Born 28 July 1891. Died 10 September 1910.
1894/15915. Fraser, Robert Lyle. Born 6 April 1894
1896/7950. Fraser, Thomas. Born 1 September 1896
1899/14075. Fraser, Stanley John. Born 31 December 1898
1900/8739. Fraser, Elsie May. Born 10 March 1900
1902/8458. Fraser, Minnie Jane. Born 27 July 1902
1904/12736. Fraser, William Henry. Born 22 November 1904
1907/6706. Fraser, May. Born 9 June 1907
1909/2232. Fraser, Leslie Gordon. Born 6 January 1909
1913/7003. Fraser, Victor Trevor. Born 29 March 1913
The puzzling thing about Robert and Emily’s (Emma) first born, James Lyle Fraser, was that he was registered in Newtown, Sydney. Was he born there?
A transcription of the Australian Birth Registration for Robert and Emma’s baby James was received 15 July 2025 from Marilyn Rowan at GeniCert.
Interestingly, baby James’ place of birth was in Auckland New Zealand but registered in Newtown Sydney on 31 August 1891. Did Robert and Emily (Emma) Fraser visit Sydney a month after baby James was born and, found the baby needed a registration upon arrival in the August? Clarification that Robert was a
Gold miner. And, Robert’s place of birth is given here as Clunes, Victoria, Australia. The marriage certificate had stated Sydney? Anyway, here is the text of the registration:
REG# 1891/25926Name: JAMES LYLE FRASERSex of Child: MALE
Date of Birth: 28 JUL 1891
Place of Birth: UPPER QUEEN STREET AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND (SEE NOTE**)
Father's Name: ROBERT LYLE FRASER
Father's Occupation: GOLD MINER
Father's Birthplace: CLUNES, VICTORIAFather's Age: 25 [
Confirms born circa 1866]
Date of Marriage: 12 JUL 1890 [
Was in fact 7 August 1890]?
Place of Marriage: AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Previous Issue: NONE
Mother's Name: EMILY JONES
Mother's Birthplace: AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
Mother's Age: 22
Informant: ROBERT LYLE FRASER, FATHER, 72 O'CONNELL STREET NEWTOWN
Present at Birth: MRS KILGOUR, MRS JONES
Registered: 31 AUG 1891 - NEWTOWN
Notes: **TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: CHILD'S PLACE OF BIRTH IS CLEARLY RECORDED AS
"UPPER QUEEN STREET AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND" IN THIS REGISTER
In the transcript, Mrs Jones is likely to be Emma’s mother, and Mrs Gilmour may have attended to the birth. According to newspaper reports in PapersPast, there was a Dr Kilgour and Mrs Kilgour who lived in Thames and retired in 1890 to Auckland.
ELECTORAL ROLLS, TOWNS DIRECTORIES, AND WISE’S DIRECTORIESNew Zealand Electoral Roll - Coromandel Electoral Roll 1885/6, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, residential, Tairua, bushman
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Coromandel Electoral Roll 1887, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, residential, Tairua, bushman
A Return of Freeholders of New ZealandFraser, Robert, settler, Coromandel
County: Coromandel
Area Acres: 69
Value £: 69
Total Value in Colony £: 69
Now married:
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1897, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Coromandel, farmer, residential
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, residential
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1898, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Coromandel, farmer, residential
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, residential
New Zealand Towns Directory 1898Driving Creek
Auckland. 42 m N.E. by stmr fr Auck; 3 m fr Coromandel
Fraser Robert L, miner
Fraser John, miner
Wise´s New Zealand Post Office Directory 1898/9Driving Creek
Auckland. 42 m N.E. by stmr fr Auck; 3 m fr Coromandel
Fraser Robert L, miner
Fraser John, miner
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1899, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Coromandel, farmer, residential
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, residential
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1900, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Coromandel, farmer, residential
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, residential
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1902, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1903, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel
Wise´s New Zealand Post Office Directory 1904Driving Creek
Auckland. 42 m N E by steamer fr Auckland; 2 m fr Coromandel, by bus dly (3d)
Fraser Robt L, miner
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1908, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Koputauaki, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Koputauaki, Coromandel, married
New Zealand Towns Directory 1910Driving Creek
Auckland. 42 m N E by steamer fr Auck
Fraser Robt L, miner
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames General Roll 1911, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, married
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1914, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, married
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1919, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, married
Fraser, Robert Lyle Houston, Driving Creek, Coromandel, returned soldier [Son]
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1922, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, married
Fraser, Thomas, Driving Creek, farmer
New Zealand Towns Directory 1923Driving Creek
Auckland. 42 m N E by steamer fr Auck
Fraser Robt L, miner
Fraser Thos, labourer
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1925, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, married
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Supplementary Roll 1928, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, married
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1928, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
New Zealand Towns Directory 1930Driving Creek
Auckland. 42 m N E by steamer fr Auck, 2 m fr Coromandel
Fraser Robt L, fmr
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames General Roll 1931, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, married
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames Roll 1935, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, married
Fraser, Victor Trevor, Driving Creek, labourer [Son]
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames General Roll 1938, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Fraser, Emma, Driving Creek, Coromandel, married
Fraser, Victor Trevor, Driving Creek, Coromandel, labourer [Son]
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames General Roll 1941, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
[Wife Emma died in 1939]
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Thames General Roll 1943, found in July 2025:
Fraser, Robert Lyle, Driving Creek, Coromandel, farmer
Year and country of death, from death search on New Zealand BDM website in July 2025:
1952/23919. Fraser, Robert Lyle Houston. Died age 87Y [Therefore born circa 1865]
Full date of death of 3 September 1952 from further searching in July 2025 on BDM Search by incrementally changing the date range for the death.
Place of death from the New Zealand, Death Index found in July 2025:
Name: Robert Lyle Houston Fraser
Death Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1952
Registration Place: Coromandel, Auckland, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2672
Entry in the Coromandel Death/Burial Records, page 45, found in July 2025:
1140 FRASER ROBERT LYLE burial 3 Sep 1952 aged 87 yrs. Born NZ.
[NOTE: Marriage licence says born Sydney, Australia].
Robert appointed his sons WILLIAM [Henry] FRASER of Auckland Tailor, VICTOR TREVOR FRASER of Auckland Harbour Board Employee and LESLIE GORDON FRASER of Birkenhead Labourer to be the Executors and Trustees of his Will dated 16 June 1947. Robert bequeathed all his property of what nature and kind soever and wheresoever situate unto his Trustees to sell and convert into money and distribute to all his children living at the time of his death in equal shares.
Where really was Robert Born?Marriage Certificate says “Sydney”
Birth Certificate of first-born son James says, “Clunes Victoria”
Burial record says “New Zealand”
However - no record could be found on the NSW BDM website, nor on the Victoria BDM, nor the NZ BDM.