Misc. Notes
Name (John Young), occupation (Night Watchman) from marriage record of son John received from NZ BDM in April 2019.
No record of marriage could be found on the New Zealand BDM website as at April 2019.
Marriage found on New Zealand marriage index 1840-1937:
Name: John Young
Marriage Year: 1875
Marriage Place: New Zealand
Spouse: Isabella Davidson
Folio Number: 392
A further search on New Zealand BDM website in April 2019 reveals the online record has wife Isabella’s maiden name spelt wrong:
1875/2991. Bride: Isabella Dawson. Groom: John Young
Full date of marriage of 15 March 1875 from further searching in April 2019 on BDM Search by incrementally changing the date range for the marriage.
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Napier Roll 1911, found in April 2019:
Young, John, Colin Street, nightwatchman
Young, Annie, Colin Street, married [Wife to second marriage]
Young, Isabella, Colin Street, Port Ahuriri, spinster [Daughter]
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Napier General Roll 1914, found in April 2019:
Young, John, Colin Street, nightwatchman
Young, Annie, Colin Street, Port Ahuriri, married [Wife to second marriage]
Young, Isabella, Colin Street, Port Ahuriri, spinster [Daughter]
Young, Annie, Colin Street, spinster [Daughter to second marriage]
New Zealand Electoral Roll - Napier General Roll 1919, found in April 2019:
Young, John, Colin Street, nightwatchman
Young, Annie, Colin Street, married [Wife to second marriage]
Children from
marriage between a John Young and a Bella as found on NZ Birth search in April 2019:
1878/2673. Young, Margaret Jane. Mother: Bella. Father: John [Born 4 February 1878]
1879/13644. Young, Angus. Mother: Bella. Father: John [Born 10 June 1879]
1880/3583. Young, Isabella. Mother: Bella. Father: John [Born 23 February 1880]
1881/11981. Young, John. Mother: Bella. Father: John [Born 18 October 1881]
1882/19525. Young, John. Mother: Bella. Father: John [Born 17 February 1882]
Brian of nzolivers notes that two of the births happen within a nine month period. Also, on the death record of wife Bella, there were living only 2 males and 1 female living at the time. Brian cannot find any of the above dying before mother Bella’s death. Therefore two of the child may not be from this first marriage of John’s to Bella. Brian surmises the following are their children:
Male 1:
Angus Young [only male left after John Young already in tree]
Male 2:
John Young [not sure which one as year of birth for John has already been determined as circa 1882.
Female: Either
Margaret Jane Young or
Isabella Young?
Brian of nzolivers notes that earlier above, in the 1911 Electoral Roll for Napier, and the 1914 Electoral General Roll for Napier, there was an Isabella Young who was a spinster. Brian assumes this is her daughter. Therefore, Brian is
going with Isabella as his daughter.
Year and country of second marriage from search on New Zealand BDM website in April 2019:
1885/2665. Bride: Annie Anderson. Groom: John Young
Full date of second marriage of 29 July 1885 from further searching in April 2019 on BDM Search by incrementally changing the date range for the marriage.
Children from
marriage to Annie as found on NZ Birth search in April 2019:
1886/10918. Young, Bella. Mother: Annie. Father: John
1888/18104. Young, Daniel. Mother: Annie. Father: John
1889/9022. Young, Kate. Mother: Annie. Father: John
1892/6936. Young, Annie. Mother: Annie. Father: John
1894/13088. Young, Emma. Mother: Annie. Father: John
1900/11288. Young, Murdoch McDonald. Mother: Annie. Father: John
1902/2058. Young, George Richardson. Mother: Annie. Father: John
Please Note: there was a marriage between an Annie French and a John Young in 1899. Therefore, the children born in 1900 and 1902 may not be from our John and Annie here. That said, “Murdoch’ is a name used by John Young’s grandson through his first wife Bella, ‘Murdoch Davidson Young’.
Year and place of birth, date of death, place of burial, from Find A Grave website found in April 2019:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188227917Name: John Young
Birth Date: 1845
Birth Place: Scotland
Death Date: 21 Sep 1932
Death Place: Napier City, Hawkes Bay, New Zealand
Cemetery: Old Napier Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Napier, Napier City, Hawkes Bay, New Zealand
Plot: SW Block 4 plot 1065
Memorial ID: 188227917
Spouse: Annie Young
Obituary in the “Evening Post” of 22 September 1932 from Papers Past found in June 2018:
MR. JOHN YOUNG
The death occurred yesterday at Napier, where he has resided practically ever since he arrived in New Zealand in 1860, of Mr. John Young, at the age of about ninety years. Mr. Young was born at Stornaway, in the island of Lewis, in the Hebrides, and left his birthplace at the age of twelve years as a bonded apprentice to the sea. He was on the battleship Sturt when she was carrying troops to Wanganui at the time of the Maori wars. Mr. Young held his ticket as a master mariner, and for some time owned the famous ketch Water Lily, now on a world cruise. He was one of Napier's oldest identities settling there shortly after his arrival in New Zealand, and he witnessed the growth of the settlement to a flourishing town and last year the reduction of the business part of the town to ashes following the big earthquake. Though he had but rare opportunity to use it since coming to New Zealand, Mr. Young was a fluent speaker of Gaelic. He leaves a family of eleven children, about thirty grandchildren, and one great grandchild. Mr. Don. Young, of Wellington is the third son, and Mrs. Sid. Smith, of Masterton is a daughter. Another, son is Mr. George Young, who resides in Wanganui.
The three children from first
marriage to Isabella listed in “The Young Family” [Old Record Scan Doc] received from Paul Young attached to an email dated 29 July 2020:
Angus, born 10 June 1879
John, born23 October 1881
Elisabeth, born 18 November 1884
Paul Young is the great-grandson of John Young (1845-1932).
Brian of nzolivers does not have listed
Elisabeth as a third child. Rather, he has an “Isabella”?
Checking with the NZ BDM, there are two Elizabeths listed:
1883/16791. Young, Elizabeth. Mother: Isabella. Father: John [Born 23 November 1883]
1884/13094. Young, Mary Elizabeth. Mother: Isabella. Father: John [Born 10 March 1884]
Neither fully matches?
Eight children from
marriage to Annie listed in “The Young Family” [Old Record Scan Doc] received from Paul Young attached to an email dated 29 July 2020:
Young, Isobella
Young, Donald
Young, Catherine
Young, Annie
Young, Emily
Young, Mary
Young, Hector
Young, George
Place of both marriages, date of burial, from Death Certificate of John Young received from Paul Young attached to an email dated 29 July 2020. Paul is the great-grandson of John Young (1845-1932).